It doesn’t need to be straightforward

J: So let’s start to make sense of what’s going on.

C: You’ve made a map of our fieldtrips and conversations. Here it is – I took a photo.


C: And now we’ve added pleasure to the map which has to be a good thing and another good thing is that Ralph is again settled having previously been humping my leg.

So where were we? Right … so you just need enough hooks to climb in and dance around. Enough so we go “ooh we are connecting the dots here”.

But … I am also fine with someone/an artist telling me a story. But I still want space for me/the audience to co-create.

J: Yeah … and the idea of dance is really important because it implies playfulness and openness. A sort of mobility or shimmying in and around ideas and perhaps structures.

[Computer cable crashes to ground and J bribes Ralph with more food]


C: This book about the history of civilisation you picked up –


J: It’s a bit low brow to be honest. I think I got in The Works. “The Illustrated History Encyclopedia of The Ancient World”. So yeah – in the Stone Age we were already making art.

C: Ideal that the government seem to want to ban it from the curriculum.

J: This general chaos is quite funny; I feel like disruption is a key element of what we’re dealing with.

C: Oh god my notes are …

J: I love it – take a picture.


C: Can we remember why we are doing this?

J: Good point … not just to get a research grant.

C: It’s sort of to legitimise the otherness in art. To have a quarrel somehow with what the establishment says is “good”; with what capitalism says is “valuable”; with what is “clever” etc etc etc etc. But what do I mean by otherness anyway? The magic or the mystery and the gaps and … Also it’s about the importance of art – we were doing this stuff in the stone age. And in the stone age it was central –

J: – and it wasn’t judged “good” or “bad”. Now it’s caught up in rules and conventions and in systems where certain forms/styles/languages/structures/bodies are privileged. We need to go back to something more basic … primitive.

C: Bring it all more down to earth? The idea of “pleasure” feels very primitive and it’s very broad – many different experiences are “pleasurable”.

[Ralph barks repeatedly at fat pigeon and launches himself at the back door]

[Six hours later it is unsolved and has gotten larger. Thursday’s workshop will be interesting.]











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